Ya lets not blame the muslims

Or in other words, a "libertarian" world where you decide what people can and cannot think, what are and are not valid beliefs, is really no different than a statist world, it's just YOU projecting the values instead of someone else.

It seems as though you're confused as to what libertarianism is.. I never once asserted I believe I should decide anything.

All I've used is opinion and persuasion.
 


I'd probably be a dead-up athiest too if I really conceived of the idea of a god as a "sky ghost" or a "bearded man in the clouds". I wouldn't believe in that shit either. Thankfully, most theists don't either.
 
I'd probably be a dead-up athiest too if I really conceived of the idea of a god as a "sky ghost" or a "bearded man in the clouds". I wouldn't believe in that shit either. Thankfully, most theists don't either.

What is he to you, have you met him?
 
Who the fuck cares? All religions are crazy. In fact, religion is probably the #1 cause of murder in humanitity's history. So no, I don't blame Muslims. I blame the idea of religion. Could there be a god? Sure. I don't fucking know I'm a god damn ignorant human being who is just trying to enjoy life and make my loved ones and myself happy in the short time I have. Stop blaming a specific religion and see how idiotic blind obedience to a religion is and enjoy your lives.
 
Why do people promote their values over the values of others?

They don't understand economics. Time after time after time, it comes back to people not understanding economics, and within economics, value theory.

No concept of human action, no concept of value theory, lots of weird dogmatic promotion of completely irrelevant points of view under the stealth guise of

<innocent>"Oh, I am just a libertarian being persuasive about my opinions..." </innocent>
 
Sure you did. You claimed your values are superior to other people's values.

Show me where I made that claim. I've asserted my opinion and I'm open to dialogue.

If you're able to confuse posting your opinions as persuasion, then Hellblazer is Ron Paul.

Why? I'm posting what I believe in hopes of subjecting other people to ideas that they may have not once considered, in order to persuade them one way or another.
 
Why do people promote their values over the values of others?

They don't understand economics. Time after time after time, it comes back to people not understanding economics, and within economics, value theory.

No concept of human action, no concept of value theory, lots of weird dogmatic promotion of completely irrelevant points of view under the stealth guise of

<innocent>"Oh, I am just a libertarian being persuasive about my opinions..." </innocent>
As I pm'ed you on skype. Let's catch up sometime. I always feel more enlightened when we challenge each other, plus I have some news you'll be interested in discussing.
 
Who the fuck cares? All religions are crazy. In fact, religion is probably the #1 cause of murder in humanitity's history. So no, I don't blame Muslims. I blame the idea of religion. Could there be a god? Sure. I don't fucking know I'm a god damn ignorant human being who is just trying to enjoy life and make my loved ones and myself happy in the short time I have. Stop blaming a specific religion and see how idiotic blind obedience to a religion is and enjoy your lives.

I fucking agree 100%.
 
Show me where I made that claim. I've asserted my opinion and I'm open to dialogue.
Read your posts in this thread where you're dismissive of other people's beliefs.

Are those posts indicative of someone who is open to dialogue?

NOW THAT I HAVE INSULTED YOUR IDENTITY AND CORE BELIEFS, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

I'm posting what I believe in hopes of subjecting other people to ideas that they may have not once considered, in order to persuade them one way or another.
You're basically acting like most atheists do on the internet. You're an antisocial jackass.
 
dreamache stop acting as if you are omniscient lol (you aren't posting opinions or beliefs, you are writing everything as if they are absolutes)
 
Read your posts in this thread where you're dismissive of other people's beliefs.

Are those posts indicative of someone who is open to dialogue?

I did a CTRL-F of "dreamache" and read through the responses. I was never dismissive of any retorts. Can you paste those for me?

You're basically acting like most atheists do on the internet. You're an antisocial jackass.

Aww, you called me a jackass. Why are you so butthurt?
 
Show me where I made that claim. I've asserted my opinion and I'm open to dialogue.



Why? I'm posting what I believe in hopes of subjecting other people to ideas that they may have not once considered, in order to persuade them one way or another.

Bro, you basically said anyone who believes in the existence of a higher power is not a true "anarchists/anarcho-capitalists/libertarian-philosophists/NAP-believers".

That was after you used Christians being martyred as proof of their God not existing, based on the supremely idiotic logic that since he didn't fly down to save them, he somehow doesn't care. Forget those notions of God "testing their faith", which the Bible is once again chock-full of, from God asking Abraham to sacrifice his son, to asking Noah to build a giant boat for years, to asking Moses to return to his land to free a million slaves, to asking his son to get tortured and killed for something he didn't do.

And then of course there was the gem where you said the Bible was a fictional book. Even the atheist Roman historian Tacitus wasn't dumb enough to say that.

Guerilla, I hate your new avatar, btw.
 
Bro, you basically said anyone who believes in the existence of a higher power is not a true "anarchists/anarcho-capitalists/libertarian-philosophists/NAP-believers".

At least in terms of anarchism (the belief in no rulers), yes. You can't really claim to be an anarchist yet to submit to a ruler.

That was after you used Christians being martyred as proof of their God not existing, based on the supremely idiotic logic that since he didn't fly down to save them, he somehow doesn't care. Forget those notions of God "testing their faith", which the Bible is once again chock-full of.

Ah okay, I forgot, god is mysterious and has his divine plan, so he mustn't intervene with free will, but hey, he loves us right?
 
At least in terms of anarchism (the belief in no rulers), yes. You can't really claim to be an anarchist yet to submit to a ruler.



Ah okay, I forgot, god is mysterious and has his divine plan, so he mustn't intervene with free will, but hey, he loves us right?

It's hilarious because on the one hand you argue for a God who aborts free will and intervenes whenever pain/injustice occurs, while on the other hand castigate anarchists for supposedly believing in such a God, while the truth is that the biblical God is the most anarchic one possible. He lets you live your life, lets good people do good and evil people do evil, and then metes out judgment when it's all over.

But atheists have this childish obsession with thinking that since a child is starving in Africa, that somehow disproves the existence of God or means he's not compassionate. They want him to be their Mommy, intervening at every moment where something bad could happen and putting bandaids on their booboos. But a God who broke the laws of free will would not be a just ruler at all; he would be a tyrant.

The only way you stop evil in this world is by meeting it with an equal force of good, not standing next to a shovel and hoping God will dig a hole for you.
 
I will admit to one thing.. My initial posts in this thread were wrong.. If I'm to convince anyone of anything (which is the ultimate goal) it can't be in such an abbrasive manner.

edit: on phone about to sleep, respond tmw HB. I still love you and G.